This week on Complex Systems I'm joined by Kelsey Piper, to discuss reasoned argumentation, her POV on DOGE and PEPFAR, and much more. (00:00) Intro (01:56) The Argument Mag (04:43) Challenges in modern journalism (08:06) Social media and its influence (21:33) Sponsor: Mercury

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